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Shelah Horvitz's avatar

It's not just the music industry. Certainly the software industry is just as bad, in its own way. I suspect all industries are just as bad. Rape culture is our culture.

That said, I've only been raped by one man, an ex-husband who raped me repeatedly and legally before I found a way to leave, back when I was in my 20s, back in the '80s when it was part of a wife's job to be raped and to damned well enjoy it if that's what her husband wanted to do with her. Thereafter, I was never raped again. Rape is forever though; it took me 20 years to trust again. In jobs, in whatever field I entered, I was always only allowed to do the work that men didn't want to do, the unglamorous work supporting them or fixing their mistakes. This ended when I had enough and quit work in 2017, not so long ago. They told me when I started working in the '80s that we were liberated and didn't need feminism, which could not have been farther from the truth.

Then 10/7/23 happened and I learned that feminists don't consider Jewish women human, which means we're on our own. We only have each other, in a very hostile culture that only promises to get worse.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

You are very courageous, and brave. Unfortunately, your experience is common, I am sorry for that. Also, sometimes when we speak up, we are told to shut up.

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Shelah Horvitz's avatar

I have found over the years that the most forbidden thing to do is to question the social hierarchy. To question the notion that women are to be used, to be overlooked, to be consumed and thrown away, that we are on this planet to be more than vessels for the creation of men children and for the convenience and pleasure of men, this is not allowed. I found this out because I used to be a political artist. You can have explicitly sexual work and that's considered edgy but not threatening. Work that questions the hierarchy is so edgy and threatening that people won't exhibit it. Still, to this day.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

I was re-reading your comment s as I often do, and I am sorry you had trouble publishing. I wonder if you are interested in a book that has recently been published. I saw the author interviewed on AMANPOUR, ( I’m not a fan of, but she does showcase some female authors). I intend to purchase and read the book: by Laura Bates, THE NEW AGE OF SEXISM. She addresses the challenges women face in the age of AI, and how her own harrowing experiences researching this book will absolutely blow your mind! The “robots” being created by men are just plain six. I will try to post a transcript of the interview, it’s worth listening to, for some not all women, who have already posted death threats to her and worse. Her voice must be heard. Take care Jodi

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J Christine Bando's avatar

The sentence below was changed—it should read SICK.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

Ms Horvitz, I’m sorry I never had an opportunity to see your work. I would have loved to support your efforts, I believe women need to support each other, providing of course they are for the most part-like minded. Good luck. - Jodi

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Shelah Horvitz's avatar

The work I was describing was my day job writing software. Since 2018 I have been a full-time artist, and while women's art brings in about 1/10th of the price of a man's art of comparable skill, I'm still getting my work out there. I have a piece in a Massachusetts museum right now. Some of the best painters today are women. And yes, women need to support one another. I've never seen it happen in a corporate setting (I'm sure it happens, I just haven't seen it) but it does happen in the arts. The problem with womens' art groups is that they inevitably let in people whose work maybe has good ideas but the execution is poor, so the overall quality of the shows tends to be terrible, and women's arts in general then get a reputation for being weak. I don't have an answer for this. We see the same phenomenon in any group where ideology or concept is more important than formal qualities, e.g. political art. A work only succeeds if the formal qualities sing; the concept comes along for the ride and not the other way around. Surely there is a way to curate a women's show to only include stellar artists, because there are many stellar women artists, but you would need a curator with a purpose and a venue and the funding to support both. The low prices that the public is willing to pay for women's work is the reason we don't have this solution.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

Hi there, thanks for your interesting and incredible article. Several months ago San Francisco had a show at the MoMa I believe showcasing TAMARA de LEMPIEKA’s work. She was an outstanding artist. I wasn’t able to go because I broke my left femur and right ribs. However the only reason I believe she was shown there was because of the female curator who fought for its inclusion. My wife is friends with the curator and gifted me a beautiful picture book with her story and all her work. I wanted to share it here on Substack, but because Tamara was openly bisexual, I thought I would probably get a lot of hate. I get enough of that from people objecting to my support for Israel and Amber Heard. Take care-Jodi

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Lori's avatar

Your story broke ahead of the NY Times, congratulations Eve Barlow 👏

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Naz Lahi's avatar

Eve, I see eye to eye with you on almost everything, or ant least many many things and definitely all things Israel. And I definitely don’t know enough about Brand to comment on him, specifically .

But, why are you citing Ayaan Hirshi Ali a “bad guy”? What did she do?

And although I agree that rape culture absolutely exists and agree with your position on marginalization and victimization of women by society - generally- it is also true that sometimes women lie and/or are the abusers of men. For instance, with Depp and Heard, they both seem like unstable, volatile humans prone to violent expression. In fact, listening to them at the trial, they sound like messed up children. Not adults in a marriage. It did not seem to me that the abuse existed in one direction.

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Eve Barlow's avatar

Aayan Hirsi Ali has defended rapists on more than one occasion.

Re the latter, I stand with Amber Heard and always will against Johnny Depp’s most successful deployment of a global DARVO machine against one survivor.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Do you have a reference for Ali defending rapists?

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Shelly Rayedeane's avatar

On a Substack on 5/6/24, she discusses a term she calls "fuzzy rapes" and goes into detail on how "fuzzy rapes" overwhelmed the MeToo movement and claims that they caused more harm than good to actual victims of rape.

The danger with this type of mindset is that it might excuse men's behaviors who knowingly take women home whom they know are inebriated to have sex with them. Furthermore, it also makes one question whether age alone might also be "categorized" as a form of "fuzzy rape".

While most of the piece generalizes and glosses over what she actually deems "fuzzy rapes" to be, she basically states that imbeciles are not necessarily rapists just because they're imbeciles.

Her "fuzzy rape" theory brings into question where the line should be drawn in the sand when it comes to consent.

After reading her substack, I come away with more questions than I do answers. I mean, should a woman who is so inebriated that she is passed out be considered a victim of "fuzzy rape"? At which age might someone be considered to be "fuzzy rape" prey as well? Should we put laws in place to make marriages between individuals with huge age gaps illegal? Where should exemptions begin and where should they end?

The problem with extremism, in any religion, is the danger it presents to a society which it seeks to oppress. It is well known and documented that the prophet Mohammed consummated a relationship with a 9 year old girl. Some Muslims make excuses for this fact, while others do not.

While the points she brought up on her substack post are mostly valid, a "softer" rapist in my opinion is still a rapist, and calling any rape a "fuzzy rape" is actually a strawman argument.

There are a lot of people who claim I voted for a rapist to be my President. This fallacy is incorrect though. The reality is that there are rapists on every side of the political spectrum, and I chose to vote for the person who would least likely allow Radical Islam to infiltrate my country and my government. I did not ignore or disregard anyone's actions because of who I voted for. I just utilized my critical thinking skills to choose the best choice which would invite the least amount of rapists into my country. (Fuzzy or not.)

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Frau Katze's avatar

Link? I’d like to read it.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Thank you. I’m going to read it.

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MAG's avatar

Thank you for this.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

Referencing Amber Heard as a liar and abuser is to deny fundemental TRUTHS- Eve Barlow spelled it out very eloquenty for anyone who cared to read it. I won’t bother to outline the insidious manipulation and lies depp and his viscious female lawyer conspired against Ms Heard, because you would not care. As as woman who has been raped and abused, and worked with hundreds of women who went through what Ms Heard did, I know she told the TRUTH. HERE IS A TERRIBLE TRUTH, DAILY THREATS, HORRIBLE COMMENTS, THE SCUM OF THE INTERNET, MESSAGE MS HEARD, TELLING HER TO KILL HERSELF, SHE SHOULDN’T BE ALIVE, ENDLESS FÈCES EMOJI’s . ENDLESS PRAISE FOR HER ABUSER! This shaming and blaiming women needs to stop. Amber Heard is a courageous woman who was so unfairly attacked by hatred, she had to leave the country of her birth for the safety of her child. I have dedicated my life to rebuking these miscreants who demean her and her child. Eve Barlow has defended woman and we should praise her courage to put her credibity on the line. Not question her statements, we can always count on Eve Barlow for the TRUTH.

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Eve Barlow's avatar

Thank you for your relentless advocacy for AH.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

Your very welcome, back at you.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

It’s an honor and a privilège. Graciously tearfully, Jodi.

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Naz Lahi's avatar

Btw, just saw the entirety of your comment now. I am so very sorry you were the victim of rape and abuse. That is really, really horrendous.

Again, if Eve knows something about Depp/Heard personally that gives her insight as to why Heard should be believed over Depp, I will give that credence. If it simply because Heard is a woman, I personally did not find her testimony particularly more compelling and honest than Depps. That is my perspective.

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Eve Barlow's avatar

It has nothing to do with Amber Heard simply being a woman but after years of being in the trenches of litigating that case I am not going to do it here today. The evidence is excessive and with every incident he flipped the script and accused her of his own abusive behavior. There is also the often forgotten fact of the UK trial in which Depp lost in a defamation suit against The Sun, where AH was lead witness to the defence, and the judge found that on 12 out of 14 counts of domestic violence, Depp was guilty. This is the highest court in the UK. In the U.S. he sued her directly as a private individual despite her not even naming him in an op-ed that was barely read, and he sued in Virginia, where neither party had prior connections because it was the most favorable state for him to emerge victorious. He pushed for a motion to live broadcast. There was no seclusion of the jurors. Like I said, I refuse to re litigate the intricacies of every instance of assault in this comments section, but the information is online for anyone who wants to research the gross miscarriage of justice. Heard appealed the decision but wound up settling in order to put an end to over six years of legal fees and trials (ie post separation abuse) in multiple jurisdictions.

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Naz Lahi's avatar

I appreciate the summary. I did not know any of this information. That definitely sheds new light for me. Again, thanks for taking the time to clarify.

When you say you were ‘in the trenches of that litigation,’ do you mean reporting as a journalist?

Thank you. And Shabbat shalom!

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Eve Barlow's avatar

Shabbat shalom.

Thank you for being open to information that can provide a fuller picture of the reality. There’s a lot to uncover, including a very sophisticated years-long public smear campaign involving behind the scenes spin doctors, pre existing relationships with mainstream media companies including TMZ and the Daily Mail, and the acquisition of inauthentic social media bot accounts that were dedicated to littering the internet with ludicrous stories to make Amber Heard appear - as you describe - in unflattering terms. It was very manipulative and anyone who considered this a trial involving “two actors” would fall for the manipulation. Do not discount he was Johnny Depp, one of the most powerful figures in Hollywood. No match for most anyone, nevermind an actor half his age who met him at the nascence of her career and was heavily controlled in the relationship by his coercion, presented as “love” and “protection”.

You asked me what I meant by “being in the trenches”. Well I have nothing to hide and it’s remiss of me to not share that I was at the Virginia trial, and survived Depp’s DARVO machine myself. I was “kicked out of the courtroom” according to the tabloids. That is not the full extent of what happened. I was also targeted by his online troll army for years, until this day, and it is by far and away the worst experience of online hatred I have ever contended with, and considering how much trolling I’ve survived as a leading Zionist voice, that says a lot and should raise red flags. The trial was three years ago - and since then Amber Heard has gone to great efforts to protect her life and the life of her child, and to secure her privacy. This is a public forum so I repeat I will not re litigate the case here out of respect for Amber’s privacy and her intention to remain out of the public eye.

I went to Virginia to accompany Amber Heard and to be by her side, and became one of the only prominent voices in the eye of the storm advocating for the truth. And the truth is she’s a survivor of abuse in the marriage, a survivor of a global humiliation unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed, and she paid the price by having her freedom of speech stripped from her by a clown court in Virginia.

It is my honor to be able to reject your initial unoriginal and frankly ignorant characterisation of her, and to tell you that Amber is one of the funniest, weirdest, most joyous, kindest, and vastly intelligent humans, and talented artists I’ve ever had the chance to know. Amber is neither violent nor is she crazy. Her affliction is that she is a woman in the world who is a free thinker, enviably successful, smarter than most people and as physically striking as the Hollywood stars of eras long gone. I am proud to stand with her yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The worst crime Depp committed was stealing the world of her light but I don’t believe he will succeed when all is said and done, because Amber has too much to offer.

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Naz Lahi's avatar

Wow. Lots of backstory. I did not know. Again, thanks for sharing.

If it is how you say, Depp really did a masterful job of manipulating the shit out of the situation because although I found them both unappealing, she was definitely less palatable. If that was all spin orchestrated by him, then “wow.”

I am glad you know her personally and can attest otherwise. I am sorry she had to go through that ordeal and how extensively her public image has been warped. So much so that even though you are telling me otherwise, I am struggling to see her as anything but dishonest.

Now, I want to revisit the footage and see if, in light of what you have shared, I can see her through a new lens.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

I just re-read your post, it is the most beautiful tribute to AH, It’s poetic and authentic -it makes my heart ache for all the funny cute little things she used to say on Instagram, like the ‘BANANA!’ video -so charming, and the ‘Lupper’ where she’s looking at the food and showing it to the camera!! So free and easy, without a care in the world! Just glorious. Like I said, it hurts my heart -she has been silenced —that such a Precious, good person, with so much spunk, adorable could suffer such indignities, from a bunch of ill mannered, depp devotees.

As an unfortunate post script to Ambers story, I spent last night defending Gal Gadot on Instagram. The horrible things posted against this wonderful ISRAELI actress are unbelievable. The degradation never ends, whats worse, just like in AH’s case Instagram refuses to remove these foul, horrific posts. It’s an insult to woman.

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MAG's avatar

I have 4 daughters, 3 granddaughters, my mother was a pioneer in her field, strong aunts, and two strong grandmothers, one who turned my aunt’s teacher upside down and threatened to throw her out the window if she ever touched my aunt again. This behavior by cretinous men is beyond comprehension. My heart aches. I’m so sorry. Thanks again for your excellent journalism.

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Lori's avatar

Unfortunately it's true in every industry, but these "celebrities " who make their living off us liking them make their millions while order workers have to suffer in silence and can rarely get the time and money to pursue their claims. They should make him fund a law group to investigate claims from his dirty money

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Terry Quist's avatar

Holding women to a higher standard of morality? Sounds like the expectations of a middle eastern tribe of my acquaintance. And by the way, they do meet the expectation, though you wouldn't know it from the press.

Like Naz Lahi, I recoiled seeing Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the list. She is under a de facto fatwa of death ever since she worked on "Submission" with Theo van Gogh. I trust you know the story that van Gogh was stabbed in the street by a jihadi with a note pinned saying Ali was "next."

I respect your judgement, but I will have to do some research to understand your position.

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Autumn's avatar

There is literally only ONE SINGLE FORM of privilege in this human life, and that is to live the entire one not getting raped. I so far in my life have only met one person, including both women and men, who have not been.

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Liz's avatar

I have no familiarity with the any of the named people in your scorching essay. Of course I’ve come into contact with “the lads”. They’re everywhere unfortunately - insecure dolts who come together to snigger at their chauvinism.

I actually came to comment on the way you wring so much out of the English language. I adore your original turn of phrase that makes me laugh out loud. “Penchant for infidelity” is my favourite in this essay. Can’t wait to use it.

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April's avatar

Love you girl.

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Dana K's avatar

Read it then, still great now.

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Naz Lahi's avatar

I did not know Ali defended any (alleged/convicted) rapists. I will look into that. If you have any references, I would be interested.

But, do you agree that abuse and violence is not always a one way thing? Women commit violence too. Women are also sometimes to blame?

Generally, I find artistic types emotionally unsafe. For their fragility, for their volatility. (As a passionate music affeccionado, I suspect those things are not necessarily off putting to you. In fact, it may be the poetry of such extremes that attracted to that space. I’m not presuming to know, though.) For me, the space of music and acting is so fraught, I have zero attraction to live in it. Just watching from the very remote and infrequent outskirts is way more than enough.

But, when it comes to Depp and Heard, all I see is a two-way train wreck. Both, emotionally unstable and petulant. And if anyone seemed violent, at least by watching the trial, it seemed like Heard was. I’m sure he’s an ass too. But she actually seemed crazy.

Of course, I know neither personally. So just basing it on their testimony. (That’s how my brain would work as lawyer, anyway. Evidence based.)

Thank Gd I am nowhere near the entertainment industry. I’d die. I was considering it for a hot minute when I was in law school. And when I met the lawyers in that space I wanted to puke. I couldn’t put my finger on it at first. Why were these lawyers so different than what I expected? That the rest. And then I realized, rather than being professorial, professional, theoretical, analytical, strait laced, anal retentive, and/or moralistic, they acted like they were entitled movie stars themselves! It was horrible and I realized very quick that entertainment law is not for me. Hollywood had rubbed off on its lawyers too! 😂 no thanks!

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J Christine Bando's avatar

One more comment, your statement about Ms Heard being violent and crazy. I suppose you believe woman are not allowed to DEFEND THEMSELVES AFTER BEING ATTACKED? Amber Heard was criticized ENDLESSLY for everything she did. That was a Kangaroo Court bought and paid for by depp. There had already been a judgement in the UK Court that stated depp abused his wife like 12 out of 13 times. The tabloid newspaper was allowed to print depp is a wife BEATER. Regarding your crazy comment - how would you like to have to sit in front of cameras reliving the worst times of your life, in front of a room hostile toward you and when you try to enter or exist people are screaming violence and saying they are going to microwave your child to death. You don’t believe depp isn’t crazy ? He and marilyn manson talked about burning Amber alive and depp said he would fuck her dead corpse first then… it was judged inadmissible in court by the crooked judge.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

Thank you everyone who gave my comments a ❤️. I only disclosed what happened to me to support other woman who have similar expériences. I don’t need or want empty sorry’s from naz lahi. As AH said ´We as woman can stand shoulder to shoulder to shine a light on…’ I support and believe Amber Heard. Thanks again !

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J Christine Bando's avatar

Thanks for your support Ms Barlow.

On this special day 04-08-25 it’s a day of joy, pride and celebration! 🥳 #4!

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Naz Lahi's avatar

Woah there. Calm yourself. I think they are both crazy. Read my initial comment. They are also both actors and thus both capable of acting like victims. To me, they both seem unstable and unreliable. Tues my whole essay about why I don’t gravitate toward actors and musicians, or even artists generally. Of course, this is an over generalization. But, generally speaking they are. Because that excess of sensitivity and emotion is what inspires and invokes art.

To answer your question, yes women of course have a right to defend themselves. (Was that question really asked in earnest?).

But here’s the thing: two things can be true at the same time. So, yes women are victims of sexual assault. And yes men largely perpetrate such violence. And also yes, women sometimes lie. About assault.

Do you think women never lie? Or that no woman ever lies about assault?

I am not referring to amber heard specifically. Just saying that can happen too.

I love Eve. And value her opinion, largely because I think she is wise beyond her years and “gets” a lot of issues most people today do not. That being said, I am also free to question, push back, challenge, and ask for clarification and or ask for references when I want more info.

I doubt Eve is going to freak out about it. You shouldn’t either.

And, If she has some personal insight to Amber heard and Johnny depp I certainly would give it great weight. But she isn’t a god. I’d still balance what she says against my own knowledge, judgment and experience.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

You are commanding me to ‘call down’ ! I will ´calm down’ when women and children stop being abused.

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J Christine Bando's avatar

I don’t know Amber Heard either, but I must have been watching something different. Amber Heard is NOT CRAZY. depp was a good actor. Since you are an attorney ? Did you read about all the dirty tricks vicious vasquez played on Ms Heard? I worked for attorneys and looked up the newsletters and meetings she spoke at and wrote about what she had her staff cook up to unnerve Ms Heard. depp placed thousands of bots and hundreds of people on social media pre and during trial —- lying about Amber Heard. All hideous lies!! That whole bunch of ´crap ‘ about the feces in their bed— was a joke - MS HEARD NEVER SQUATTED DOWN AND DEFECATED IN THEIR ‘ marital bed ‘.

Believe Eve Barlow when she tells you the truth- she has advocated for woman and men for years - she is a truth teller, she is wise beyond her young years.

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pauljeremiah's avatar

People with skeletons in the closet love conspiracy culture: they have a built-in defense against accountability.

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